Just my thought anyway. 1 Reply Share Report Save View Entire Discussion (24 Comments) More posts from the KremersFroon community Continue browsing in rKremersFroon rKremersFroon Subreddit dedicated to discussion around the disappearance of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon in Boquete Panama, April 2014. 2.3k Members 72 Online Created Oct 9, 2019 Join help Reddit App Reddit coins Reddit premium Reddit gifts about careers press advertise blog Terms Content policy Privacy policy Mod policy Reddit Inc 2021.

Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts Log In Sign Up User account menu 13 Was Kris standing up in the nighttime hair photo.

However the wig you are using doesnt come close to replicating Kriss hair which seems very soft when she was alive and more straight than curly.

Then this photo would be very strange if this is Lisanne taking it because it would have to be at ground level.

If she was lying down then did the person who took the photo, take it in portrait orientation It would be rather strange to do so because then the person taking the photo is aware of where Kris is and making a deliberate photo of her from the back or front if her hair is over her face as some think it is.

If Kris was alive and sitting up or standing I can maybe understand as then whoever took this photo seems either same height or maybe a little taller than her.

Here is an analysis done by uresearchtt2 He did it in one shot to simulate the single attempt.

The focal length used for this shot is 4.5mm.

It is wide enough to capture a few more things so it is amazing how there is not more information captured and just this close up.

Reply Share Report Save level 2 Original Poster 4 months ago Yes, good points.

My gut feeling is Kris was standing up in front of Lisanne presumably, with the camera, and was photographed by accident.

Very detailed Have had a quick look through and will have a more detailed look later.

Reply Share Report Save level 1 4 months ago Perfectly possible that she was standing up and alive when the photo was taken.

Trouble is for me it doesnt answer anything and starts to raise other questions.

The big one being if the photo was actually taken on the date recorded by the camera why is her hair so clean after several days lost and sleeping rough in the jungle 5 Reply Share Report Save level 2 Original Poster 4 months ago Yes, it seems unbelievably clean considering the girls had been apparently lost and sleeping rough for a week with light clothing and one small backpack.

Her hair might not be very wet but you think thered be particles of dry leaves, soil or some kind of discoloration in there.

Reply Share Report Save Continue this thread level 1 4 months ago The strangest thing about all of this - if K was standing or sitting upright when this was taken, (i.e.

Apr) - why was the wrong pin entered into her phone on the 5 Apr If she was still alive on 8 Apr, who was operating her phone with a wrong pin And if she were being held captive, say, why couldnt the kidnapper force her (under threat of violencefear) to tell them the pin It really doesnt make any sense.

Reply Share Report Save level 1 4 months ago We had a professional hairdresser (herhis claim),in an old post in this sub, said that she was bending at the hip forward.

She even explained that ginger hair is really strong and that it is why it is so clean looking.

She also said something about the image not beeing in the right orientation.

Reply Share Report Save level 2 3 months ago edited 3 months ago I dont know if this has anything to do with being ginger, but I have ginger hair and my hair just doesnt get greasy.

I wash it once a week and even at that point it looks clean, especially the hair thats not in direct contact with the scalp.

Somehow Im not surprised by the way her hair looks like in the photo.

Also her hair does look more curlytangled than in the normal hiking photos which suggest shes been outside in a humid environment for some time.

Reply Share Report Save level 1 4 months ago edited 4 months ago Its really difficult for me to look beyond this: Im by no means saying that Im right, and Im as susceptible to pareidolia as the next person, but if I was forced to make a judgment call based on what I see as visible features in that photo, then this would be my call.

So shes not, in my opinion, standing upright.

Reply Share Report Save level 2 4 months ago Those would be some freakishly long eyelashes IMO 3 Reply Share Report Save Continue this thread level 1 4 months ago If she were lying down you would be able to see the rock under her head.

Reply Share Report Save level 2 Original Poster 4 months ago Yes, thats my feeling as well.

Reply Share Report Save level 1 4 months ago Good question.

The hair does look quite standy-uppy, and like it should be a bit more flat if she was lying down due to gravity.

If her hair was messyfrizzy after days in the jungle though, i suppose that might contribute to the lack of flatness.

Reply Share Report Save level 2 Original Poster 4 months ago Yes, I get the impression the hair is hanging down normally as though the head is vertical in a standing up position.

This would explain the apparently open blackness in the top corners of the photo.

Reply Share Report Save Continue this thread level 1 4 months ago I think this is the time one is unconscious fell and the other girl checking for any trauma on head.

Since its a camera and dark she can only take a shot and not aiming on the right part like guessing where the girl hit her head or something like that.

Reply Share Report Save level 2 Original Poster 4 months ago Yes, imaginable.

Are there unreleased photos taken on that night that show more I wonder 2 Reply Share Report Save level 2 4 months ago also i think its sideways because seems like hole in nose is visible.

Reply Share Report Save level 1 4 months ago yes maybe but in brink of that moment maybe she took just a shot and panicked then run and tried drastically calling for help thus they got separated.

Just my thought anyway.

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